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Topic Subject:Feigning a rout
Natalinasmpf
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posted 10-24-11 11:27 AM EDT (US)         
Was used time and time again...basic ingredient found in the Art of War. Of course at the time I read of it (age 10) I didn't comprehend why the enemy would be so bloodthirsty as to fall for the bait...but of course now playing Shogun I realise.

From what I read...you can try to do this in Shogun. I play in French for fun, so I thought the "se replier" button was to "withdraw" -- but often it frequently causes units to fall into a rout. (But those units would have routed anyway...I was just trying to save them before I would have lost the entire unit.)

An interesting tactic that would echo the old geniuses of history would be to withdraw units into a rout -- the enemy general or cavalry chases them, and BAM! You rally them and they ambush the prize.

If you have reinforcements handy -- but let's say you have 40 units of ashigaru against 20 samurai. You can rout your units in the thick of battle at say, half strength. The Samurai army chases them. Most of the units will rout in partial order.

As the enemy army breaks up to chase you, you can either rally them (they'll rally at half strength) and fight them off one by one, or enter with reinforcements. Haven't tried this as a tactic yet, but I imagine it would be effective against greedy human players.

[This message has been edited by Swra Latckretcnin (edited 10-24-2011 @ 11:28 AM).]

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Liam_the_Spartan
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posted 10-24-11 12:17 PM EDT (US)     1 / 3       
It works well in real battles, but I don't think it would work in Total War. As the moment when you press the withdraw button or your men retreat you lose many, many men.

It may work a bit in multiplayer, but you have to remember routed units have flashing/white banners, and the unit card says when it is routing or not.
Natalinasmpf
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posted 10-24-11 11:41 PM EDT (US)     2 / 3       
Ah, but when you withdraw your units, your units do generally rout. Does the card make a distinction between units in retreat (routing on purpose)? Units I withdraw often break into a rout.
As the moment when you press the withdraw button or your men retreat you lose many, many men.
The key thing is not to retreat all at once....withdraw one by one, till there is a chain. The enemy (if he or she is human) is likely to believe you.

I am referring to the situations to the time where if you are chasing enemy units, your units are scattered and if they had rallied at this very point, you would have lost the battle.

Units you withdraw in order are easy to rally of course (you can also set a regrouping site)? The general goes off to take some hits, but that's part of the idea.
Hussarknight
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posted 10-27-11 02:11 PM EDT (US)     3 / 3       
The banners, and mouse-overs make a distinction between units that are routing and units that are ordered to withdraw. When they are ordered to withdraw, they will appear normal (to the enemy), when they're routing the banners will flash or disappear and the status in the mouse-over is changed.

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