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Topic Subject:The Date Clan on Very Hard
Lenardius VII
Ashigaru
posted 03-21-11 01:51 AM EDT (US)         
Hi all,

Just wanna share with you a nice way of having a good start on the Very Hard difficulty level. The Hatakeyama and Mogami are your neighbours when you choose the Date clan.

Follow these and you can get far with the Date on Very Hard. Though be warned, the AI in Shogun 2 does not always act according to plan...


The key is speed and in the end the two outcomes are; Mogami army has to chosen to fight your empty province at Uzen or go back to defend it's capital as you siege it, providing both their cities are captured while this army is in the middle. You'll have more money to train more and better units and upgrades for your cities. The former outcome is most likely to happen based on what I've come across.

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Here are the steps:

1) First turn upgrade your roads and recruit 2 Yari Ashigaru



2) Complete the first mission by pairing the 2 Yari you just recruited with the main army and attack the Rebel clan to complete the mission. If your general has retainers that give +2 to happiness this is your chance to raise the tax a higher. You can try and use another turn to get 2 more yari.



3) With that Army head towards Hatakeyama and stop at the border.



4) Try and upgrade another building to raise your economy like the trade port. Train 2 more yari and 2 archers and build up a force with the Date clan member remaining in your starting city (I think its your Daimyo or the brother) this is to prepare to attack the Mogami capital as it won't have any much defenders garrisoned.



5) At this step there are 2 ways you can get 4 regions under your control by 1550. Hatakeyma will accept 5 turns for military access if you offer the same in return.



After step 5 you have a choice to either take them on which you can win by auto resolving - or, if you are lucky, the army that is supposed to guard the city is attacking the Ashima. This is your chance to take their city. If you don't like that option pass the Hatakeyama city, then travel past the mountains and capture Uzen it will not be heavily defended and an auto resolve will surely win the battle for you.



If you are quick enough you won't have Mogami threatening your capital but if they do try and get your capital you do have forces garrisoned from step 4

From here the main Mogami army might approach to retake Uzen. You will send your other army garrisoned in your Capital to take Mogami Capital which is ripe for the taking in 2-3 turns (if you've upgraded roads and if you have level 2/3 strategist skills on your General it helps).



The Date clan member in your capital is able to reach the Mogami capital quickly in 2-3 turns. The settlement should be easy to capture and the main Mogami army that is stuck between its Capital and their former minor city Uzen will rebel. Your best option is turn Mogami into a vassal which gives you 1 unit and causes the main Mogami army that was in the province will vanish or some small force will be left behind.

When the former capital of the Mogami is happy with just your general or a yari garrisoned bring that army down south to your Hayakeyama city to defend it or strengthen it with more yari and take head towards the Mogami army that is in your Uzen province.


Beyond these steps: Depending how it went and how the other clans have responded, generally around 1548-1550 you should already have 4 of the victory regions for the short campaign win in record time. From around 1552 onwards you should be able to find it easier to conquer the regions to the south.



Going further South towards the Hojo Capital you should see very little resistance, your main army in this section can capture 4 more regions by 1555. Giving you a grand total of 10-11.



Alternatively, you can try heading West where Kozuke is potentially an easy capture, but this will likely put you in conflict with the Takeda and/or Uesugi sooner rather than later.



And that's it for this guide! Those are the steps that worked for me most of the time and gave me an excellent foundation for me to become Shogun.

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Extra tip 1: As all the above is going on, ensure you have had your port upgradedto be able to build trade ships so you can acquire the trade post of Iron to the north of your starting region. Place a handful of Trade Ships on that and you'll earn a nice extra income.

Extra tip 2: Fukishima; it will most likely be controlled by Ashina or Hatakeyama. If you are quick you can take this stronghold surprisingly quick with the same army that took Uzen. This region should upgraded quickly and makes an excellent military stronghold as this is perfectly central to your 4 regions north and what ever direction you will conquer in the south.

Extra tip 3: If you can foster good relations with the Takeda, even if they do not share borders with you, this will keep other minor clans near Kozuke and beyond distracted so you can focus your forces on expansion down south.


By following the above steps by 1555 I had 11 regions and earning 5000 to 6000 Koku per turn. I took many regions quickly to the south reaching near the Hojo capital. I lost some key battles and surprisingly the AI's resistance and combined strength of Hojo and Imagawa is very challenging, so beware!

Finally, good luck in your Very Hard Date campaigns!

"Maybe someday we could become friends. Friends who ride majestic, translucent steeds, shooting flaming arrows across the bridge of Hemdale."

[This message has been edited by Aftermath (edited 03-24-2011 @ 08:35 PM).]

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Aftermath
HG Alumnus
posted 03-21-11 07:18 AM EDT (US)     1 / 11       
That sounds pretty good to me, though I haven't played as the Date yet I will give this a go when I do.

Part of the problem with playing as them is the vast expanse of territory you need to navigate and defend in the north so grabbing some extra settlements quickly is always a benefit.

Lenardius, do you have any screenshots of these steps you can upload or send to me via email? It's just that this makes an excellent guide (actually the first gameplay article that someone has written for us ). What I'm going to do is move it to the Guides and Articles forum!

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Scipii
TWH Seraph
posted 03-21-11 08:17 AM EDT (US)     2 / 11       
Tried this on Very Hard and the AI reacted differently, the Uesugi decided to expand westwards into Hatakeyama and Mogami lands. You do not want to know what kind of hurt the Uesugi can put on when it decides to expand in to the same lands you want to. It usually ends in a Uesugi victory sadly as they usually have the ability to muster more, and\or, better troops.

I like the guide though, just doesn't quite go to plan if the AI reacts different to that (AI) in your campaign.
Lenardius VII
Ashigaru
posted 03-21-11 05:27 PM EDT (US)     3 / 11       
Hi guys,

Sure, I'll have grab some screenshots tonight and send them off. I was busy at work had to stay back. In fact... I'll go through it from the beginning with screenies.

The Date clan interested me and in this game and this time around I make big efforts to be really aggressive in online and in campaign. Their no daichi samurai can turn the tide of battle IMO if they have good momentum for charge and aren't in the open for Cav and Bow Samurai to cut them down, they win hands down (most of the time)

Sorry for the rush post, i didn't think it'd be an article, I just wanted to share my thoughts on Very Hard because its what i jumped straight into and lost the whole campaign until I found a neat trick to out smart the AI with the Date clan.

"Maybe someday we could become friends. Friends who ride majestic, translucent steeds, shooting flaming arrows across the bridge of Hemdale."
Aftermath
HG Alumnus
posted 03-24-11 08:37 PM EDT (US)     4 / 11       
I cleaned it up a little and added the images you sent me Lenardius.

Though I tried the steps a couple of times and things didn't always go to plan for me, so I added a quick note at the top. Other than that this is great, a wonderful piece to begin our collection of gameplay and strategy articles with. I hope you find the time to write more for other Clans

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:: The Sun always rises in the East :: Flawless Crowns :: Dancing Days ::

"We kissed the Sun, and it smiled down upon us."
Lenardius VII
Ashigaru
posted 03-27-11 10:06 PM EDT (US)     5 / 11       
Thanks for that Aftermath.

Im surprised to see this not work with others. I can do it time and time again and i will get similar results.

Weird.

I'm a little over half way with Date on Very Hard. I have 16 regions and its getting...truly hard i might not win the short campaign in time.

"Maybe someday we could become friends. Friends who ride majestic, translucent steeds, shooting flaming arrows across the bridge of Hemdale."
Aftermath
HG Alumnus
posted 03-28-11 06:03 AM EDT (US)     6 / 11       
I guess because the campaign AI is different, we can't expect it to operate the same in every campaign.

Still, we'll get this uploaded to the main (and brand spanking new) Shogun 2 articles page as soon as possible

Can we expect any more guides from yourself?

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:: The Sun always rises in the East :: Flawless Crowns :: Dancing Days ::

"We kissed the Sun, and it smiled down upon us."
Lenardius VII
Ashigaru
posted 03-28-11 05:47 PM EDT (US)     7 / 11       
Yes, I'm in a process of trying to out smart / look for ways to get the upper hand and stay in the game on Very Hard AI for Usegi and Hattori Clan.

Until i have something solid to test and try out a few times then i'll email you again.

But now...i get completely obliterated.

"Maybe someday we could become friends. Friends who ride majestic, translucent steeds, shooting flaming arrows across the bridge of Hemdale."
Hussarknight
Seraph Emeritus
posted 04-03-11 10:29 AM EDT (US)     8 / 11       
This article is now published on the articles section: http://shogun2.heavengames.com/articles/campaign/date-very-hard/

          Hussarknight
Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 04-03-11 11:55 AM EDT (US)     9 / 11       
Good job Lenardius! Now try a campoaign with Oda on Very Hard. It must be near impossible.
Aftermath
HG Alumnus
posted 04-03-11 06:13 PM EDT (US)     10 / 11       
Congrats on being our first Strategy article uploaded to the main pages, Lenardius

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:: The Sun always rises in the East :: Flawless Crowns :: Dancing Days ::

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Lenardius VII
Ashigaru
posted 04-12-11 08:11 PM EDT (US)     11 / 11       
Thanks guys!

I m still trying to perfect some nice ways/tricks on Tokugawa, Oda, Usegi, and Takeda on VH.

"Maybe someday we could become friends. Friends who ride majestic, translucent steeds, shooting flaming arrows across the bridge of Hemdale."
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